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In this forth episode the fellas, Ocky Williams & Nick Delmacy, discuss Tyler Perry’s Tony & Dave, the epidemic of teens soliciting sex with older men, Criticism of President Obama and why DATING should not be a Gay dirty word.

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DISCREET CITY RADIO: EPISODE 04
Ocky Williams and Nick Delmacy Discuss Tyler Perry’s Tony & Dave, the epidemic of teens soliciting sex with older men, Criticism of President Obama and why DATING should not be a Gay dirty word.


 


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Skyy
10/03/2012 10:48am

I hate when you guys do podcast because everything else in my life stops. lol. Great job again. I'll be emailing you both soon.

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Nick D
10/07/2012 3:07pm

LMAO! Thanks Bro!

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10/03/2012 1:08pm

You guys do come out with some good podcast shows. I have to say that the Obama topic still was a big one for me when listening to the show out of all of the topics. Yes it is about time they have masculine man SGL movies to come out. So sad about the little one getting HIV because sex is in your face all damn day and they going at in Elementary school. These young ones saying sucking a penis is like kissing. NO LIE! Crazy…

I would like to say I was born and rise in Oklahoma. This state has been a republican state since elections started. Now in Oklahoma I remember clear as day them saying right on the news channel that Oklahoma will not follow through on Obama pass laws if they don’t have to.

Obama isn’t God so like us he has to work at cleaning up somebody else mess and his own. I believe he deserves another 4 years to do it. Hell it even took Clinton both terms to get our economy right and it wasn’t as bad as it was and is now. It could have been worst and I think that’s why Obama gets a pass. Then you had his charm and determination you got people sticking up for him.

Put it like this when you’re in love a person is perfect you know there is no such thing as perfect because we all have this picture in our head what is perfect. So this person is imperfectly perfect to you. You do this with family members, friends, lovers, and etc. Obama has a lot of us in love and when you have someone like Mitt as other choice you just fall more for Obama.

As long as you voted u talk all you want but it’s the one who don’t vote that need to shut the hell up in my opinion. Anyway keep goin hard on em Discreet City.

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Luke
10/07/2012 12:02pm

Regarding the kid who contracted HIV, I wanna say that I think looking through the context and making our own evaluations is pointless and only serves to suggest that it was in some way the kid's fault.

Regardless of whether he told this kid and whether the kid actually understood the consequences, what you really have to ask yourself is, what the fuck kind of person looks at this young kid (whether he was of age or not) and thinks, "Yeah this feels right: I'm gonna infect this kid with a disease he will suffer from for the rest of his life because I need to get off." That behaviour is sociopathic! He should've manned the fuck up and told the kid no. I'm tired of people blaming hormones and shit: your dick doesn't think: you fucking do: all it takes it some fucking self-control.

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Luke
10/07/2012 12:40pm

Also, just to add a bit on when I listened through to the end of the segment there.

You guys talked about responsibility of the kid and I was truly just shocked. Blaming the victim much? You can not talk about responsibility of the kid as though he had a true understanding of the gravity of the situation he was entering. There are many parties at fault for the destigmatisation of AIDS and many more at fault for inadequate sexual education, but you just can't single out this kid and say that it's his fault because he wasn't responsible enough. And if you didn't seek to say that it was his fault, what were you trying to do? Be edgy for ratings?

I usually enjoy your segments, but this genuinely worried me.

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NIck D
10/07/2012 12:53pm

LOL dude you can't seriously say that a 15 year old that was "adult" enough to repeatedly log onto a sex hookup app, lie about his age and invite 30-year-old men to his parents house specifically for sex is not responsible IN ANY WAY for the results of what happened. This was not his first sexual experience. If you listen to the podcast you will hear us say they were BOTH in the wrong and that it was possible that the boy ALREADY had HIV before he had sex with the man in question.

Luke
10/07/2012 1:36pm

I respond here since the commenting system doesn't seem to let me respond directly to your reply.

The whole reason we have age of consent laws is that children are not expected to understand the consequences of their sexual actions. Whether they are able to have sex or not is irrelevant and whether they lied *initially* about their age is also irrelevant and may I add in almost all cases of these incidents happening, the 'she/he said he was 18' defense is ignored as there's no way to substantiate whether either side is telling the truth, so let's drop that particular point and presume the kid did tell his attacker he was under-age. If not for the fact that the attacker had previously targetted young kids, we could presume innocence in both parties.

If anything, the kid may be guilty of breaking the terms and conditions of going on the app in question, but the issue is that he is not responsible for his actions related to the conditions of the incident. Children are exceedingly easy to manipulate and given that this man had previously gotten kids to have sex with him and clearly specifically targeted them, only indicates that he was obviously quite good at that manipulation.

Let me state this in another way for you: no, he is not 'in any way' responsible for what happened. There is no situation in which a sexual assault victim is responsible for the fact that they were assaulted. There are situations where it is deemed not the fault of the perpetrator, but there are never situations in which the victim is responsible for their circumstance. Have I made myself more clear?

Your response is almost *more* concerning

"This was not his first sexual experience." - Are you saying he would be less guilty if he were a virgin? That's horror movie logic. Because he's had sex before does not make it any more okay to blame him for being assaulted. If he's had sex before with older men, it just makes it even more worrying not that he was having sex with older men, but that older men were willing to have sex with him.

Also, what evidence do you have to suggest that he could've had HIV before he had sex with the guy? Is this just based on the fact that he wasn't a virgin? Because it kinda seems like you're insinuating that he was targeting this guy to have someone to blame his previous contraction on. Otherwise, why bring it up?

I'm not accusing you of not saying that the attacker was wrong: I'm saying that you shouldn't accuse a victim of being not entirely innocent because not only is it insensitive, it kind of disturbingly displaces the blame from the attacker. Let me repeat myself: there is no situation on earth in which an assault victim is even partially 'responsible' for their assault.

Nick D
10/07/2012 3:24pm

I'm not gonna keep going back and forth because you've already made up your mind on this issue but I'll say this for anyone reading: We repeatedly say on the podcast and in the article that Keith Sumlin was absolutely in the wrong for engaging in sexual activity with this young man (even though the teen lied about his age initially). However, we also take into account the various other factors that DO NOT make this a cut-and-dry case of a sexual predator seeking out underage victims to infect with HIV. The teen used a Sex Hookup App that is ONLY for adults and misrepresented himself as a non-minor and INVITED a strange adult man to his PARENTS house to engage in unprotected sex. If he had been truthful about his age from the beginning and the adult STILL continued the conversation, that would be a perfect case for an episode of "To Catch A Predator." In this case the teen established himself as a manipulator and a liar from the beginning when he logged on to the app for Adults Only. If this were a case of a 15-year-old boy getting a 15-year-old girl pregnant, people would be saying that he needs to face up to his responsibilities and account for his role in making that pregnancy happen. The same limited responsibility applies here. We do not have all the facts, but we DO know that Sumlin was not searching out for this teen to infect him with HIV since the teen was the one that contacted him. This is not a case of a clear cut "victim" of a sexual predator. For those that listen to the podcast, you will hear us examine the reasons that an increasing number of 13-15 year olds are even engaging in underage sex, which is the BIGGER story that should be causing outrage. When I was 15, seeking out anonymous sex with strangers was the LAST thing on my mind.

Luke
10/07/2012 3:58pm

HOLY SHIT Are you really saying that holding a 15 year old accountable for getting someone pregnant is like holding a boy of the same age accountable for getting infected with HIV by a 30 year old man who knowingly raped him?

To quote your own blog post, "Before they had sex, Sumlin said he was 21 and asked the boy, “Are you really 18 years old,” and the victim replied “no.” Sumlin then asked, “Are you 17,” at which point the victim replied, “younger.”

To further quote: "If he had been truthful about his age from the beginning and the adult STILL continued the conversation, that would be a perfect case for an episode of "To Catch A Predator." - It doesn't matter when he says it: knowing that the kid is under age at any point in time makes this a 'perfect case' of statutory rape. It doesn't matter what the kid said or did: it's still statutory rape because the child was not of the age of consent.

Dude I advise you just delete this whole comment thread and take it back before people see it, because that is offensive as shit. You need to re-evaluate the way you think about this stuff! Meanwhile I'll be busy never reading another word you write.

Nick D
10/07/2012 4:10pm

1.) I take nothing I said back. Fully read what I wrote and the details of this story. The quote you listed from the blog post about age was from one-side of the story, this has not been verified. The only fact verified was that they both initially lied about their age. Sumlin said he was 26 and the teen said he was 21.

2.) I can't say that I'm sorry to see you go...Our website will continue on with or without you reading it.

Ocky
10/07/2012 10:48pm

Sorry Luke but I find your argument illogical and full of political correctness just for the sake of placing this sexual active teen in the same league of real victims of rape, molestation, and incest.

In no way did he deserve the results of his poor life altering choice but he is not free of blame.

I don't have the patience or time to tell you how or why I disagree with your comments.

By the way the post was about the 15 yr. old and not the 30 yr. old

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Skyy
10/10/2012 7:50pm

I think now would be a perfect time for me to chime in. AGAIN... I love the the podcast. I love the debates. I love it all. I won't side with either one of you... I'll just get some popcorn and enjoy some damn good reading. I will say, I believe Luke meant he wouldn't read another word you wrote on this subject, because he isn't going anywhere. This site is like crack. ESPECIALLY to the real masculine dudes. Don't write him off Nick... just (like Ocky always says) agree to disagree and move on. You all have my support.

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Nick D
10/12/2012 12:06am

Thanks for the feedback as always, Skyy. As for Luke, I'm a person who believes EXACTLY what a man says. I don't help him out by reinterpreting his words. This is why I don't trust Mitt Romney, lol.

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